By Norb Garrett and Rebecca Nordquist San Clemente Times
With two open seats in the City Council, San Clemente in November will vote for their top candidates. Here’s a quick look at the seven hopefuls and two incumbents
If the total number of candidates—nine—is any indication, 2008 is a big election year for the San Clemente City Council. Why would so many toss their hats into the ring for a $400-a-month paycheck and steady stream of headaches?
In the first of many pre-election features leading up to November 4, the SC Times has assembled a quick look at each of the candidates and what they stand for. On the heels of a year that included two referendum votes on highly charged issues, this election promises to feature a wide range of opinions.
The terms are up for councilmembers Jim Dahl and Steve Knoblock, both of whom are seeking re-election. Seven others have elected to run: John Alpay, Bob Baker, Gary Chronister, Patrick Crosby, Charles Mann, Chris McCormack and Patrick Powers. Of those, only McCormack has run in the past—his bid in 2006 fell short.
So the race to grab a seat on San Clemente’s City Council officially is under way…
John Alpay
Age: 35
Marital Status: Married four years to Rochelle Alpay
Children: Autumn, 2; Saige, 11 months
Years Living in San Clemente: 2
Years in Public Office: 0
Occupation: Assistant general counsel for Samsung Electronics
Education: Bachelor of arts in economics from University of California at Berkeley; juris doctor from UCLA School of Law; master of business administration from UCLA Anderson School of Management
Web site: Not applicable
In a sense, John Alpay is running for City Council for his children. “I feel as current custodians of this city we need to maintain it and preserve it and improve upon it for future generations—and I say that as a father of two very young children,” says Alpay.
Looking toward the future, Alpay has three objectives in mind: infrastructure, fiscal prudence—keeping the tax revenue base here and not relying on developers’ fees—and the respect of property owners’ rights. “What I see this campaign coming down to is there are two camps: growth and no growth,” he says. “My focus is more on infrastructure growth. We’ve grown very quickly in a short period of time and we need to focus on maintaining the quality of life and all that’s best for San Clemente. We need to focus on improving traffic, for example, it’s gotten very bad.”
Alpay cites the need to keep parks well-maintained and to ensure there enough to meet youth sports’ needs. “Youth sports have suffered as a result of our situation with respect to parks,” he says.
Related to infrastructure and the proposed Foothill-South (241) Toll Road, Alpay supports an additional means of transportation, but is opposed to it dividing San Onofre State Beach. “Destroying one form of infrastructure—a state park—to build another, in this case a large toll road, is not in the best interest of the community,” he says. —Rebecca Nordquist
Bob Baker
Age: 59
Marital Status: Married 27 years to Pam Baker
Children: Nicholaus, 22; Emily, 20
Years Living in San Clemente: 20
Years in Public Office: 0
Occupation: Airline pilot for American Airlines
Education: Bachelor’s degree from United States Naval Academy
Web site: www.electbbaker.com
Bob Baker was at the forefront of the “one wall standing” campaign—an effort that changed the city’s requirements on setbacks in remodeling. From that he learned that one person could make a difference. He also campaigned successfully for Measure C, which prevented Pacific Golf and Country Club from building homes on designated open space. “I want to ensure that the city goes down the right path on open space, traffic and development,” says Baker. “The City Council’s demonstrated that they’re not putting the residents first. I want to make sure the residents are the No. 1 priority of the council.” He says that if the city changes, he wants it to be more like Santa Barbara—not Los Angeles or Huntington Beach.
He also plans to correct mistakes that have been made—namely, he says, approving development before infrastructure is built. “I want to be a voice for responsible development and keeping the best interest of the residents in mind,” he says. Baker also notes that he’s willing to listen to others’ arguments on the issues. “If you can make a strong argument, I’ll change my mind. My ego doesn’t need to be right 100 percent of the time.”
Graduating from San Clemente Leadership this year—a program that shows the ins and outs of the city and gives participants a chance to hear from department heads—Baker has been a regular at City Council meetings for the past four years or so. —RN
Gary Chronister
Age: 55
Marital Status: Married 24 years to Juanita Chronister
Children: None
Years Living in San Clemente: 9
Years in Public Office: 0
Occupation: Real estate consultant at New Homes Development
Education: Not applicable
Web site: Not applicable
Gary Chronister views the job of a City Council member as a maintenance position—not a political position. “We’re here to act on behalf of the city—not for political agendas, political promotion,” says Chronister. “It’s not about ego—it’s strictly about what’s best for our city. I believe the position is to listen to the citizens, act on behalf of the citizens and make your decisions that way.”
He also believes that San Clemente needs to stay small surf town San Clemente. One way he would accomplish this is by what he calls “brilliant growth.” “It has to make sense for the community aesthetically, support downtown, support businesses, what supports this surf-town atmosphere,” he says. “It’s not by bringing high rises.”
Chronister is also pushing for the Quiet Zone—the effort to reduce train noise at vehicular and pedestrian crossings—an increase in sheriff’s deputies on the street, a crackdown on gang crimes and a limit on freeway signs. Additionally, for him, “it’s just a big no” on the Foothill-South (241) Toll Road.
“I’ve complained enough about some of the decisions and things going on in the city,” says Chronister. “My philosophy is if you complain about something, you better do something about it. I want to see changes in the city, so I’ve decided to put my time forward and try to become elected.” —RN
Patrick “Moose” Crosby
Age: 60
Marital Status: Single
Years Living in San Clemente: 16
Years in Public Office: 0
Occupation: Composer
Education: Electrical engineering degree from Illinois Institute of Technology; also student at the University of Chicago
Web site: sanclementemoose.com
Most San Clementeans know Patrick Crosby as the “clarinet guy” often found playing along Avenida Del Mar or near the pier. A self-described composer who learned music composition while studying at Saddleback College, Crosby is running for City Council because he feels he can affect positive change in local government by bringing more checks and balances to city government. “I’ve been painfully aware that too many people yield too much arbitrary power,” says Crosby. “I would like to change our form of city government from that directed by a city manager to one directed by an elected mayor. We have a mayor now but it’s more ceremonial.”
Crosby asserts that his vision would help drive reform in important areas of local government, including code enforcement. “If a code enforcement officer gets it in for you, there’s nothing you can do,” he says.
Crosby believes that decision-making at the city government level should be focused on providing residents with services and facilities that deliver on a community need, rather than just adding new business for the sake of new business. “What’s better for the community?” asks Crosby. “Business exists to make money. I don’t think that is what government’s role is. We need a different focus to our approach to city planning, one that follows the maxim ‘form follows function.’” —Norb Garrett
Jim Dahl
Age: 65
Marital Status: Married 45 years to Alice Dahl
Children: Jimmy, 42; Ingrid, 32; five grandchildren
Years Living in San Clemente: 45
Years in Public Office: 12
Occupation: Retired fire captain
Education: Fire science study at Orange Coast College, Santa Ana College and Saddleback College
Web site: Not applicable
It should come as no surprise that Jim Dahl likens his political approach to that learned on the fire lines for 37 years in the San Clemente Fire Department and Orange County Fire Authority. “I look at a situation, project or policy, from both sides and analyze it like I did as a firefighter,” says Dahl, who has served three terms on City Council. “I have a very rational outlook.”
Dahl, who sports his now trademark Hawaiian style shirt at most meetings, is running again because he feels there are several important projects and policies under way that need to be seen through to completion, including Marblehead Coastal, North Beach and the La Pata/Vista Hermosa Park & Aquatic Center. “I’ve invested a lot of time and energy into this, and it takes a lot of time and effort to move the community forward, and I want to keep doing that,” he says.
Dahl points to the 1980s as an example in San Clemente’s history he hopes is not replicated. “I don’t want a return to the Dark Ages when isolationist attitudes thought they’d stop all the development projects, and look what that got us, an ocean-view sewage treatment plant,” he says. “The isolationist attitudes of some candidates bother me.” —NG
Steve Knoblock
Age: 56
Marital Status: Married 13 years to Twyla Knoblock. They have six children between them.
Years Living in San Clemente: 7
Years in Public Office: 3
Occupation: Business attorney
Education: Political science major and philosophy minor from Long Beach State; studied law at Western State University College of Law; attended Pepperdine University’s Arbitration/Mediation program
Web site: Not applicable
Elected onto City Council nearly three years ago after a special election when the late Stephanie Dorey stepped down because of health issues, Steve Knoblock describes himself as a “social and fiscal conservative” who stands for reasonable, collaborative, balanced and constructive government. “I believe we should have a small government and one that doesn’t get into people’s business,” says Knoblock, one of 10 siblings. “I believe that waste in government spending is outrageous.”
At council meetings, Knoblock regularly challenges staff on budgetary issues, especially when using contractors. While his public role in San Clemente still is somewhat new, Knoblock had been active in local government prior to moving to San Clemente, serving on school boards, working on site selection committees and acting as the first vice chairman of the Republican Party of San Diego. “[Serving the public] is a passion of mine; it’s important,” he says. “If you don’t do it right, the community suffers.”
Among the key issues Knoblock says he’s focused on are quality-of-life issues, including North Beach development and traffic. He also wants to look at improving the functions of local government by perhaps outsourcing some city services. —NG
Charles Mann
Age: 60
Marital Status: Married to Jeri Mann for 36 years
Children: Brittney, 24; Max, 22
Years Living in San Clemente: 26
Years in Public Office: 0
Occupation: President of a financial company
Education: Engineering degree from University of Glasgow; master’s of business administration from Gannon University; master’s in taxation from Golden Gate University; Ph.D. in finance, California Coast University
Web site: www.mann4sanclemente.com (coming soon)
On February 5, when residents voted down a proposed housing development on zoned private open space on Pacific Golf and Country Club, Charles Mann stood with the Save San Clemente Open Space group and celebrated. Several supporters offered that Mann, who had largely organized the group, should run for City Council. Mann declined, commenting that he thought he could do more from the sidelines. Six months later, Mann bowed to the pressure.
“I feel like I have a mandate from the residents to be the catalyst to take San Clemente to the next level,” says Mann. “We’ve gone through the development phase, and now that we’re at build out, we’re entering the beautification stage. Measure C dictated a change in City Council. Residents want more open space, less traffic and a better quality of life.”
In the past several months, Mann’s introduced two policy issues in open session, one dealing with the rezoning of open space and the public’s right to vote on such decisions—which is on November’s ballot—and another dealing with traffic tolerance—which is with Planning Commission. “At this point in my life, I feel I can bring my resources and knowledge to the table,” he says. —NG
Chris McCormack
Age: 28
Marital Status: Single
Children: None
Years Living in San Clemente: 28
Years in Public Office: 0
Occupation: Substitute teacher for Saddleback Unified School District
Education: Bachelor of arts in history from San Francisco State University; teaching credentials from National University
Web site: Not applicable
In the November 2006 City Council elections, Chris McCormack nabbed 2,533 votes—with approximately 32,500 votes cast and seven candidates running for three open seats. Two years later, he’s back on the ballot and says he’s learned a lot. “I enjoyed the experience and I look forward to participating in politics and setting city policy—staying involved in my community,” he says.
His main focus is sustainability and working with coastal communities to keep the oceans clean—because as he says, “The oceans don’t have borders.” To expand on sustainability, he’s starting the groundwork for a community garden and, if elected, looks to work with businesses to use environmentally sound practices in their business plans. “I believe if you keep at it, sooner or later things will start moving in that direction,” says McCormack. “It’s baby steps: It doesn’t happen overnight.”
Affordable housing is also on the docket and even rent control—although he realizes that’s a touchy issue. “It’s finding ways to keep young people and people who’ve lived here a long time in town and make housing affordable,” he says.
Finally, McCormack is opposed to the proposed Foothill-South (241) Toll Road and his main argument is for protecting the Native American burial grounds that lie nearby. —RN
Patrick Powers
Age: 40
Marital Status: Married for 11 years to Kirsten Powers
Children: Jackie, 15
Years Living in San Clemente: 5
Years in Public Office: 0
Occupation: Director of data warehousing and reporting at Experian
Education: Associate of arts in electronics/computer technology from Heald Institute; certified in Microsoft and Oracle databases
Web site: www.sanclementespeaksout.org (coming soon)
Patrick Powers says he doesn’t want to replace anybody on City Council; he thinks they’re doing a good job. “What I’m looking to do is bring my skills to enhance what we’ve got,” says Powers. With 20 years in the technology field, he plans to increase communication lines between the city and its residents—and he’d start with a Web site, www.sanclementespeaksout.org, that would engage residents in forums and help keep them current on city issues.
To take it one step further, he sees a citywide wireless network as a means to connect San Clementeans and give them “one more channel.” “I’m looking at the same model Google used in Mountainview,” he says. “How do we get someone to sponsor that and make it a revenue stream?”
In addition to improving communication, he looks to make San Clemente a greener city. For instance, he suggests giving
financial kickbacks to residences and businesses that replace lawns with succulents or improve sprinkler systems to reduce runoff.
Spending much time at local restaurants, Powers says he’s shaped his perspective by listening to what people are saying on the street. “I would bring in a different viewpoint to City Council,” he says. —RN When posting comments please be courteous. No bad language, vulgarity or racial slurs.
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Posted by Steel signs...get votes
October 31, 2008, 8:39 pm
Two Supporters (one on the Planning Commission)of Baker and Mann were caught red handed by the police steeling other candidates signs. Makes you wonder what else they would do to get what they want. Are those the kind of people you want on your council...I sure don't.
Vote Dahl
Posted by no on W its Bad for sc
October 31, 2008, 3:41 pm
If you want to hear and see the truth go to this website-- the Lab project will ruin North Beach-- please help our community of NB SC by voting NO on W
www.visionsanclemente.org
Posted by HopeforSC
October 31, 2008, 5:50 am
Just in!!! Check out how Playa del Norte will look! http://www.pronorthbeach.org/new_pictures YES on W
Posted by Tom T. for Mann and Baker
October 29, 2008, 2:33 pm
Signs are in funny places by all campaigns-- I am voting for Mann and Baker because they want to preserve what little open space is left, they want to grow or build in more responsibly and they are against W...
Posted by Tom
October 29, 2008, 10:25 am
Oh-- here we go-- the pre election whacky sign violation crew--- blah blah blah
Posted by TheTruth
October 29, 2008, 10:10 am
If Mann and Baker believe in San Clemente, why are they breaking the law by posting their campaign signs in Illegal spots?
Guess the rules don't apply to them...who needs those kind of leaders.
Posted by No on W and Dahl Yes on Mann and Baker
October 28, 2008, 11:57 am
Man and Baker are the best 2 altrnatives to the old tired sc politics of bad development. Let's keep the pressure on the old corrupt system---
Posted by YES on W , Mann and Baker NO
October 27, 2008, 2:39 pm
Why would SC elect two guys who in their campaign who lie and who do not discourage their voluteers from stealing signs and placing illegal ones?
Think everyone should see the following:
Friends, Many of you know how active I am here in San Clemente. I rarely push my opinions or positions onto my friends, but this time I have to speak up about what is going on in our City. I¹d like to explain the very disturbing politics surrounding Measure W ¬ the advisory vote on North Beach. Measure W asks whether the City should proceed with a plan to sell some parcels of land to the LAB (Little American Business) so they could develop restaurants and shops in the area of North Beach. The total square footage, which is divided into several buildings, is less than that of a medium size supermarket. The project is called Playa del Norte. City Council candidates Charles Mann and Bob Baker are against Measure W. There is nothing wrong with that because there should always be room for political differences. But they have waged a campaign that has crossed certain lines that I cannot accept. It has involved intimidation of business owners, destruction of campaign materials, and threats of lawsuits. And in the absence of rational arguments against Measure W, Mann and Baker are publishing blatantly false information. Maybe I¹m old fashioned but I don¹t tolerate dishonesty, especially from those seeking government office. In all my years of activism I have never seen anything remotely approaching Mann and Baker¹s campaign against Measure W, and I am not talking about little white lies or half-truths. Mann and Baker are barraging the public with fabrications that bear no resemblance to the facts. You may have seen some of these claims: • Mann/Baker: The project will cost taxpayers $25 million o Fact: The project will cost taxpayers zero dollars (Source: City of San Clemente) • Mann/Baker: The buildings are 64 feet tall o Fact: The tallest part of a building is an ornamental tower that is 39.7 feet tall, which can be eliminated if necessary (Source: City of San Clemente) • Mann/Baker: The project is four stories tall o Fact: All of the buildings are one and two story, except for the front of the parking structure which is three story (Source: City of San Clemente) • Mann/Baker: 120 parking spaces are lost and people will have to walk across El Camino Real to get to the Ole Hanson Beach Club o Fact: 199 parking spaces are gained, although 13 of the currently existing 296 are moved across El Camino Real (Source: City of San Clemente) o Fact: There will be more parking in the vicinity of the Ole Hanson Beach Club than there are now (Source: City of San Clemente) • Mann/Baker: The project is 75,000 square feet o Fact: the project is 67,130 square feet (Source: City of San Clemente) • Mann/Baker: The project will cause three new traffic signals on El Camino Real o Fact: The signal intersection at Pico and El Camino Real is about to be improved. It is already funded by developer fees (Source: City of San Clemente North Beach Traffic Study) o Fact: One additional traffic signal at the entrance to the train station is planned because of Marblehead-induced traffic increases is already funded by developer fees (Source: City of San Clemente North Beach Traffic Study) o Fact: One pedestrian crossing signal will have to be built and paid for by the LAB (Source: City of San Clemente North Beach Traffic Study) o Fact: A signal might have to built years from now if all other North Beach properties (not the LAB) are built out and an additional parking lot is built on the other side of El Camino Real (Source: City of San Clemente North Beach Traffic Study) • Mann/Baker: Traffic will be gridlocked at North Beach o Fact: We can expect significant traffic increase at North Beach which is directly attributed to the development of Marblehead, especially the Outlet Mall (Source: City of San Clemente Traffic Study) o Fact: The additional traffic generated by the LAB is ³insignificant² and all traffic response times will remain within acceptable standards (Source: City of San Clemente Traffic Study) All of the above information can be verified on the City web site at http://san-clemente.org/sc/Standard.aspx?PageID=528. When the City conducted a public information forum to present the facts on North Beach, many of Mann and Baker¹s claims were refuted. Their response? Mann and Baker tried to discredit the City Manager and City Planner. In addition, one of their campaign coordinators, an attorney, threatened the City Manager and City Planner with personal lawsuits. I have a copy of the email that contains the threat. On the surface this is silly but I think it is very sad. City employees should not be threatened or intimidated for doing their jobs. This kind of behavior is inexcusable. In a couple of weeks San Clemente voters will be asked to vote on Measure W to decide the direction of North Beach. For 25 years North Beach has slowly decayed with boarded up buildings, vacant lots, trash, and homeless people. There have been various proposals for restoration of the Miramar Theater, the old Casino Dance Hall, buildings on the corner of El Camino Real and Pico, etc. Nothing has happened, and nothing will for another 25 years unless we do something. We are already five years into a process to fix North Beach. It began with a visioning document that was formulated out of a year of public meetings and input. Then there was an open competition to select a commercial partner to implement the vision. The LAB was selected over two other, higher density proposals that included hotels, condos and high density retail. For two more years public workshops have been held and the Playa del Norte plan has been revised and downscaled twice. What has emerged after five years is a plan for restaurants and culinary shops surrounded by greenbelts, courtyards with beautiful landscaping, sitting areas, views of the ocean and connections to the Coastal Trail. I have studied these plans and know that this is our chance to create something truly beautiful, and with a unique San Clemente feel. Best of all, it will all be done at private expense and will not cost the taxpayers a dime. Once completed, we will have a vibrant gathering spot that brings people back into North Beach, which will allow other businesses to prosper as well. There will certainly be a stronger business case for restoring the Miramar Theater. A fine dining restaurant at the Casino Dance Hall would have a greater chance at success. The value of the entire area will rise so used car lots and rental yards can be converted to best and highest uses. Just go down to North Beach, walk around and ask yourself if we could do better than this. Some people might think that lying is acceptable in politics. My response is it doesn¹t have to be that way. We the voters decide at the ballot box whether or not to reward politicians for lying. I urge you to strongly consider whether you want to reward Charles Mann and Bob Baker for their misinformation campaign. Measure W has not been politics as usual. Even though I supported Mann and Baker¹s other causes such as Measure C and Measure V, I¹m sorry to say I have lost a lot of respect for these two guys. If they built their case on Measure W on truthful arguments I wouldn¹t have a problem because I can always accept honest differences of opinion. But lying to the public while seeking public office is one step over the line for me. Most important, I encourage you to get the facts on Measure W and decide for yourselves. It¹s your choice what to believe and you don¹t even have to believe me. Objective facts can be found at the City¹s website http://san-clemente.org/sc/Standard.aspx?PageID=528 . Read the ballot. Measure W says the project, which is still a work in progress, must ultimately conform parking, traffic and view corridor requirements before it is allowed. If you have any specific questions you are welcome to ask me ¬ I will try to be as factual as possible. It¹s been 25 years since the Miramar entertained movie goers and the Casino Dance Hall was Sebastian’s Dinner Theater. Both closed their doors, North Beach started to erode, and nobody has come up with a realistic plan until now. We can make our community a better place and create a new, fun gathering spot to meet with friends and enjoy the ocean air. I encourage you to do your homework because if you find out what is being proposed, chances are you will join me in support of Measure W. Please feel free to pass this along to your friends. Thanks, Bill Hart
Posted by NO on Dahl Yes-- Mann and Baker
October 27, 2008, 8:37 am
Dahl represents an old tired sc vision that sought to stay afloat by being friendly to developers, get related campaign donations, look for trickle down city funding and etc etc etc---- you are looking at the light from a burned out star-- his days and those politics for the town are over-- today as times have changed people want to preserve what precious little is left of the small town feel and beauty.....While several candidates share this view-- Join me in voting for the team-- Mann and Baker-- let's get this right....
--Steve
Posted by hopeforsc
October 25, 2008, 7:46 pm
By the way, if you were at the City Council meeting on 21st you would have seen during the breaks, Dr. and Mrs. Mann and Mr. and Mrs. Baker encouraging The Bledsoes, who are suing San Clemente residents because they used a bad contractor.
Mrs. Bledsoe is the one who has a website against Jim Dahl and they had a huge illegal sign at their property. She blames her poor choice of a contractor amongst others,on Jim Dahl because he was mayor during that time. Interesting logic... Baker and Mann are encouraging people who are suing us for their own political gain. Is that anyway way for those aspiring to a leadership position in our city to act. Shameful.
It's like a soap opera!
Posted by hopeforsc
October 25, 2008, 7:37 pm
Baker and Mann are liars. Lying big time about the LAB. They have placed Illegal signs all over town. They believe that the rules don't apply to them. Who needs these kinds of politicians? They think that a Target on commercial city open space is OK yet don't want to fix city commercial space in North Beach. Got some good pictures there yesterday at Sunset. In the recreational parking lot that was essential empty at 6 PM on a Friday, except for a few cop cars with a SUV doors opened and driver being "talked" to.
I don't always agree with Jim Dahl, I especially disagree with him on the toll road, but he is RIGHT on with what it will take for San Clemente to become even a better place with smart planning. Let's face it, everyone who comes to SC wants to live here. We all did!! We have 60,000 people here now. We have to have places for all those people to go in town or they will just fill up the over crowed 5 that is still not being fixed. YES on W and YES on Dahl, Alpay and McCormack.
Posted by No on Dahl
October 15, 2008, 11:06 am
You HAVE to see this youtube video on Mr. Dahl-- the link is below-- or just go to www.youtube and put Jim Dahl in for a quick search--- what a kook!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0EJG4zQqG0
Posted by Frankie Henry
October 10, 2008, 12:04 pm
I know Dr. Charles Mann as a champion of the democratic process and an intelligent and dedicated worker for the principles in which he believes. He has the courage to stand up against profit for a few at the expense of the quality of life for many. I cannot imagine a more qualified person to represent fairly and impartially the best interests of his community and its continuance as a desirable and beautiful place to live.
Posted by Long Time Local
October 6, 2008, 7:29 am
FYI I have known Gary Chronister for a long time. He is the hardest-working, no B.S. person you will ever meet. Electing him to office would be like San Clemente hitting the jackpot!
Posted by melanie schweitzer
October 3, 2008, 11:38 pm
I vote for Bob Baker, who is comitted to preserving the standard of community that is the identity of San Clemente.
The Bakers have been friends for 25 years; leaders, in family, lifestyle, friendship, and always looking at keeping San Clemente the kind of city one would wish to live in.
Smart, generous, thoughtful and ethical, with an analytical ability to cut to the heart of a problem and extract the pearl of the solution.
Got my vote!
Posted by marjoriesosa
September 30, 2008, 5:01 pm
I am not able to vote in the council candidates' poll. I started to vote for two and was only able to vote for one and now I can't get back in. Am I doing something wrong?
Posted by Larry B.
September 9, 2008, 7:09 pm
I have known Patrick Powers and his wife for 14 years and am confident Pat would be an excellent addition to the council. He is a responsible, concerned citizen with strong insight and a well-balanced perspective in addressing issues. His being a resident of other communities years ago enhances his ability to contribute to San Clemente's future - he brings much experience living in communities that have been led well and in those that have made costly errors. I encourage those of you not familiar with Pat to learn more about this highly competent candidate in the weeks ahead.
Posted by Steve Gee
August 22, 2008, 8:02 pm
Disregard the post below-- Mann is a Royal SCREW UP===
His opposition to measure C was filled with dis-information and lies.
His efforts and that of his idiotic cronies was to have himself and his pals kicked out of their private gold club. That folks, was the opened land he was fighting for. A snobby golf course. Instead he has gotten every homeowner in SC a $3000 hike in property taxes to pay for the amenities that measure C rejected. Taken in part from the SC times11/27/07 --WHAT’S NEXT: Charles Mann, one of the signers of the “No on C” argument/rebuttal, conceded that there was some “conjecture” in their details, but said he and his group would take out or revise wording as necessary.
anyway ask Charley if he ever got kicked out of golf club....
Yup measure C was to keep an extra 9 holes on a private golf club open... San Clemente was duped by a sharp PR campaign.
This went against the city council and planning commission views so a few rich slobs who lived near the golf course could stop development in their neighborhood.
Mann ain't the man.
Posted by Steve Gee
August 22, 2008, 7:43 pm
Mann is a screwup
Posted by Patrick Crosby
August 22, 2008, 10:34 am
If there is anything that give me hope for this community, it is reading the last three posts. People are beginning to actually discuss community problems, rather than relative trifles that usually get discussed in city council campaigns! WOW! We need more of this-- lots more. And grateful as I am to Norb and the SC Times for providing this forum here, I think we need to all put our heads together and set up something far more general and interactive-- something which as far as I know, no community has ever done before. Does anyone else have an inkling of what I getting at here? It's extremely vague even in my own mind at this point, but if it could be done, and an open and ongoing dialog between the candidates and the voters established, it could be a significant step in creating actual *democracy* in our community. moose@sanclementemoose.com
Posted by moseybear
August 22, 2008, 8:31 am
After 8 years of Republican rule, it is time for a substantive change. All the Republicans have provided for is reckless development, massive debt pushed upon those who did not create it to begin with, and false promises. You cannot trust these people. They are tools of the ruling class. They will say whatever if necessary to get your vote, then after the election, will report to their money masters -- many of which are out-of-towners.
San Clemente has catered to the gentrification elements for the last 8 years. It is time for change. Stop the out-sourcing of law enforcement. Enact and enforce responsible rent stabilization. Stop the Toll Road (all Toll Roads but especially this one at SO). Make SC more "bike friendly". Require electric car and bike charging stations at local shopping centers (Costco has 2 stalls at its store in Capo beach). Have city-wide "free" WiFi. Make the City convert ALL of its vehicles to either hybrid or electric (esp. at the beach where the City is most visible).
I think Chris is my first choice because he represents the future -- not the past. Also, Chris knows not just the benefits of SC, but more importantly, can testify to the down-side of living here (high rents, SC turning into an assisted living community for the wealthy). Time to address the problems facing our youth -- not just by building another ball park. Our children grow up here and then cannot afford to live here unless our parents die and deed the McMansion to the kids.
Posted by Mepachum Bauer
August 21, 2008, 7:56 am
I appreciate the response Chris. At least you have made your beliefs clear and I commend you for that but I think you need to study the effects of rent control since World War II and how in this day and age, many cities are removing rent control laws because although they were meant to assist residents on the lower rung of the economic ladder, it actually harms far more citizens than it helps, benefits the better-off, and limits the freedom of all citizens. Rent control has actually driven out residents and businesses and is something San Clemente cannot afford. Your intentions are good but rent control would lead to a worsening of the quality of life of the people of San Clemente. I do not say this just to disagree with you but the data supports what I have written here. There is plenty of research regarding the effects of Rent Control and I highly suggest that you look into it.
Posted by SC Lover
August 20, 2008, 8:44 pm
To Mepachum Bauer. I work with Chris McCormack on his campaign and he gave me this to post in response to your question.
I did state that I support some form of rent control. However, there are many different forms of rent control that have been effective in keeping older and younger generations in their respective communities. For example, rent stabilization, which can be applied in several ways, is just one option. To stabilize rent, the city could allow landlords to rent at market rate, but when rent was raised it would be raised at a percentage based on inflation. In addition, landlords who have units under rent control can be granted tax write-offs or incentives. This is just one option and example of how rent control can be implemented. Having lived in San Clemente my whole life, and being involved in local government, I have a good idea what kind of government local residents want. As foreclosures grow and the economy worsens, the renting community will grow and many long-term locals are going to need help in order to remain local residents. Rent stabilization is just one option that should be explored. Thanks for your question and I hope you will be voting for me on Nov. 4.
Posted by Patrick Crosby
August 20, 2008, 2:55 pm
Anyone who wants to email me, it is moose@sanclementemoose.com My website is http://sanclementemoose.com I certainly would not say my site was "under construction," but I do keep adding to it. There's quite a bit there already.
Posted by realsclocal
August 20, 2008, 1:04 pm
Could you at least tell some of these candidates to get their Website's up? To have it still under construction is semi ridiculous.
Posted by Rebecca Nordquist
August 20, 2008, 11:54 am
If you have questions for the candidates, please send them to rebecca@sanclementetimes.com, and I'll forward them along. I will not give out the candidates' e-mail addresses or phone numbers.
We also have a feature in tomorrow's paper where we ask the candidates a question about an issue. I'm accepting reader questions for consideration for that section.
Thanks, Rebecca Nordquist
Posted by Tommy N.
August 19, 2008, 9:46 am
Message to Rebecca Nordquist:
Regarding the candidates, could you post their email address, or phone number so we can contact them and clarify with them about their positions on different issues that concern all of us?
Thanks, Tommy
Posted by Mepachum Bauer
August 19, 2008, 9:36 am
Good luck to all the candidates. Although I do have a question for Chris: You have stated that you want affordable housing and even rent control. Would you mind elaborating on that? That is not just a touchy issue but an explosive one as people from cities like Santa Monica will attest to. You must know that this type of government is exactly what the people of San Clemente do not need nor do we want, so if you could explain your position on that it would be helpful. Because if you don't adequately explain it or are a true believer in this issue, you will not get my vote. Regards,
Posted by Patrick Crosby
August 18, 2008, 5:09 pm
In response to the person who asked, *even before* we get to the destruction of Trestles, San Onofre State Park, the Donna O'Neill Conservancy, and endangered species, the desecration of Native American Burial Grounds, and all of that, I am strongly opposed, on deep philosophical grounds, to the very concept of "private ownership of roads." This, along with private ownership of the radio frequencies (first proposed by Ayn Rand in about 1961, which I also oppose) is one of the darlings of Radical Libertarianism (e.g., my old friend of college days David Friedman, son of the authors of "Free to Choose"), and Objectivism (Ayn Rand and her followers, such as former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan). I am opposed to such privatization because contrary to what the proponents claim, it attacks the very foundation of individual freedom and rights-- that foundation being the "Common" (sometimes expressed at "commonwealth") which we all share. Private ownership of such vital necessities as airwaves, the water supply, and roads are thus far more insidious than the ills we have been hearing about re the 241 because they quite literally turn your most fundamental constitutional rights into *market commodities.* That means: they can be bought and sold! Bad enough, as Lincoln once observed, that we only have as justice in a courtroom as we can afford, we now have only so much freedom, such as the freedom to communicate and travel, surf great waves, and otherwise enjoy God's and/or Nature's gift too us all, as we can afford. Beneath all the other discussion, this is the *true* battle being fought here. In order for it to be won, the people opposing 241 must become fully cognizant of the nature of the battle. In creating the TCA in 1986, the State legislature created a monster which is no longer under legislative or any other form of democratic control. It's very right to exist must now be questioned.
Posted by Tommy N.
August 18, 2008, 9:53 am
We certainly have a very strong and varied slate of candidates this year. From those who have been in the community for more than 1/2 century, to those who have just moved in to it in the last two years.
For me, I would like to personally ask you to consider Patrick Powers' candidacy for the following reasons. I know Mr. Powers personally, here are a few of his strong points:
1- He IS GOAL DRIVEN and has a clear agenda for San Clemente.
2- He is up to date with the latest high tech knowledge to carry out his proprosals to expand communications in San Clemente. A lot of talk without the right knowledge will not add up.
3- He's not too young to be inexperienced, nor too old to irrelevant with the times. He's got the right wisdom, and the right knowledge.
Overall, Mr. Powers is a strong candidate. I am sure that San Clemente will keep him for years to come on the council.
Good luck to all candidates.... Tommy N.
Posted by dj
August 16, 2008, 2:12 pm
Chris is against the toll road.
Posted by dj
August 16, 2008, 2:11 pm
I know Chris is young, but he has the best interest of San Clemente at heart. He stands for what gives quality of life to those of us who live here. We moved here because we love the small town feel of this community. The outside developers are very interested in getting their hands on San Clemente and changing what we cherish most. We need someone who is interested in thoughtful devlopment and keeps the citizens of the San Clemente as a top priority. He's lived here all his life and I think he knows what is important to the community.
Posted by leonard strashnoy
August 15, 2008, 6:08 pm
I know Pat Powers, he can do it
Posted by redhead8500
August 15, 2008, 4:38 pm
Hey there realsclocal-
Yes you do have a point, about John's time in the city of only two years, but with that perspective he can look at the city with "NEW" eyes and bring more creative & current ideas that current council members may want to stay with the "Status Quo" which brings no growth to the city - but still wanting to keep the family and small town coastal feel.
Redhead8500
Posted by Erika
August 15, 2008, 4:26 pm
DOWN WITH DAHL!
Posted by Realsclocal
August 15, 2008, 2:30 pm
Good Post Patrick.
I agree with alot of what you are saying. How do you feel about the Proposed Toll Road Extension?
Posted by Patrick Crosby
August 15, 2008, 1:01 pm
Basically, I think Norb did a great job here and was more than fair to me. One thing I'd like to elaborate on, that there evidently just wasn't space to print in the story. Words to the effect of "if only government were run like a business" are frequently heard (most often and most disastrously applied to public schools). To those who hold that sentiment, I hold up San Clemente as a city government that does indeed run itself like a business-- again, with disastrous results. Why should this be? Because a business *exists* for the purpose of making money. I've known some very conservative people in my day, including one friend from my younger years whose father won a Nobel Prize in Economics. I never knew his dad, but I was assured by others who knew both that father and son agreed on *everything.* So with that as background, I can pretty well assure you that not even Milton Friedman would have wanted to live in a city that saw "making money" as it's primary function. Yet, for a number of years now, this has been the primary focus of the San Clemente City Council in the form of approving projects with the end goal of maximizing city revenues. A far better goal: maximizing the quality of life in the city. This is where "form follows function," a phrase which actually can be traced not only to Louis Sullivan, but all the way back to Aristotle, comes in. It means viewing the city much as though it were a living organism with a soul, that soul being the spirit of the community. This is why I say, for example, when you look at the old Mirimar Theater complex laying in waste, mourn not just for the physical building, but for the good times no longer being enjoyed there. Sure, getting the old building functional again would be nice, if that is still physically possible, but having the former *function* of the place restored, rather than the mere building itself, would be the far greater accomplishment.
Posted by realsclocal
August 15, 2008, 11:08 am
Alplay seems o.k. But, only 2 years in town.. Seems a little on the fence about the Toll Road. I dont know...
Posted by Redhead8500
August 15, 2008, 10:34 am
I have had the pleasure of working with John Alpay for the past 6 years- his insight as to what would be best for the city of San Clemente-my family had lived there for many years-Gordon & Loni Scott anf they raised there family there. John brings to the table a new awareness as to better direction for the city of San Celemete. He woulfd make a great addition for the city.
Posted by Realsclocal
August 15, 2008, 10:33 am
Sounds Good Patrick. I will have to learn more about you. I Appreciate you taking the time to answer my question's. Time in the Community does matter to me.. But, Look at Mr. Dahl.... He isnt looking out for the best interests of our community and he has been here for 45 years. So, If you have been here 5 and get it.. Then More "POWER" to you!!
Posted by 15 YEAR RESIDENT
August 15, 2008, 10:08 am
PATRICK IS A MAN ABOUT TOWN AND TRULY "LIVES" IN THE COMMUNITY. I SEE HE AND HIS WIFE OFTEN AND THEY ARE GREAT TO TALK TO AND VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE AND ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THEY LIVE IN... MAYBE BEEN ONLY 5 YEARS BUT WHEN IT FIT'S IT FIT'S! I THINK HE WOULD BE A SUPERB COUNCIL MEMBER FOR SAN CLEMENTE AND HE'D SURELY GET THINGS DONE!
Posted by Patrick Powers
August 15, 2008, 10:06 am
Thanks realsclocal for engaging in this conversation. I think this is great to be able to respond directly with real constituents.
To address a couple of your points:
If you notice, length of time is all over the map for many of the candidates. Mr. Alpay has been here for 2 years while Mr. Dahl has 45 years. I will stand by my point that involvement in different aspects of the community can make a bigger difference than just length.
As to the toll road - I know this is a huge issue for us in town and I want to choose my words carefully. While I am not against the concept of a toll road connecting us to more locations, I don't feel the current proposal is the best one for us at this time. We need to make sure that any toll road serves as large a cross-section of town as possible without impacting our quality of life.
Please feel free to ask any more questions. I appreciate the communication with fellow voters.
I also look forward to addressing questions next week at the Candidate's Forum in the Fireside room at the Community Center.
Posted by realsclocal
August 15, 2008, 9:44 am
Crosby, Chronister and Baker all have some good points as well.
Steve Knoblock is looking like another Lame Duck!
Posted by Realsclocal
August 15, 2008, 9:36 am
Chris McCormack... While Young.. Has some Good Points.. Wouldnt Mind some more info on him..
Posted by realsclocal
August 15, 2008, 9:34 am
Mr Powers.. How do you feel about the Proposed Toll Road Extension?
Posted by realsclocal
August 15, 2008, 9:32 am
Sorry Pat.. But being here only 5 years does matter. Welcome to the community! But, You dont have my 2nd Vote Yet. Mann has my 1st. Thinking the existing City Council is doing a good job is Strike 1. No One is Against Growth! We are talking about picking the Right projects for San Clemente.. Not "What will put extra bucks in my pocket".
Posted by Sloan C.
August 15, 2008, 9:14 am
Mann just wanted to keep the extra holes for his golf course. Don't believe the hype!
If Chucky wins a seat, there will be a new way to spell stagnant.
S-A-N C-L-E-M-E-N-T-E
Posted by Patrick Powers
August 15, 2008, 7:57 am
The length someone is in a community doesn't always reflect their involvement. You can be somewhere for 20 years and never do anything for the area. Just because I have been in SC for only 5 years doesn't make me any less of an active member or qualified candidate.
Overall, the current council has done a good job. They have kept our city strong financially, helped bring in new residents, and made the best decisions they could in their minds for San Clemente.
Mr. Mann is as qualified a candidate as any of us running. I do agree with him on the open space issue and was against getting rid of our open space. Nowhere am I advocating selling off our space.
Thank you for the chance to run and be part of the future of San Clemente.
Posted by realsclocal
August 15, 2008, 7:38 am
Pat Powers has only 5 Years in San Clemente.. Thinks the Current City Council is doing a good job.. Not the most qualified in my opinion. Mann has a Track record of making things right and taking on corruption and greed in our city council.. where there are problems.. Problems that need the right solution.. Not just selling off and giving away our precious Open Space.
Posted by Dennis
August 15, 2008, 7:33 am
Patrick Powers is by the far the most qualified and understood candidate of the bunch. With his determination and ability to 'Get things done', he outshines the others by far as the best person to get the jobs done that need to be done.
John Alpay
Bob Baker
Gary Chronister
Patrick “Moose” Crosby
Jim Dahl
Steve Knoblock
Charles Mann
Chris McCormack
Patrick Powers
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Two Supporters (one on the Planning Commission)of Baker and Mann were caught red handed by the police steeling other candidates signs. Makes you wonder what else they would do to get what they want.
Are those the kind of people you want on your council...I sure don't.
Vote Dahl
If you want to hear and see the truth go to this website-- the Lab project will ruin North Beach-- please help our community of NB SC by voting NO on W
www.visionsanclemente.org
Just in!!! Check out how Playa del Norte will look!
http://www.pronorthbeach.org/new_pictures
YES on W
Signs are in funny places by all campaigns-- I am voting for Mann and Baker because they want to preserve what little open space is left, they want to grow or build in more responsibly and they are against W...
Oh-- here we go-- the pre election whacky sign violation crew--- blah blah blah
If Mann and Baker believe in San Clemente, why are they breaking the law by posting their campaign signs in Illegal spots?
Guess the rules don't apply to them...who needs those kind of leaders.
Man and Baker are the best 2 altrnatives to the old tired sc politics of bad development. Let's keep the pressure on the old corrupt system---
Why would SC elect two guys who in their campaign who lie and who do not discourage their voluteers from stealing signs and placing illegal ones?
Think everyone should see the following:
Friends,
Many of you know how active I am here in San Clemente. I rarely push my opinions or positions onto my friends, but this time I have to speak up about what is going on in our City. I¹d like to explain the very disturbing politics surrounding Measure W ¬ the advisory vote on North Beach.
Measure W asks whether the City should proceed with a plan to sell some parcels of land to the LAB (Little American Business) so they could develop restaurants and shops in the area of North Beach. The total square footage, which is divided into several buildings, is less than that of a medium size supermarket. The project is called Playa del Norte.
City Council candidates Charles Mann and Bob Baker are against Measure W. There is nothing wrong with that because there should always be room for political differences. But they have waged a campaign that has crossed certain lines that I cannot accept. It has involved intimidation of business owners, destruction of campaign materials, and threats of lawsuits.
And in the absence of rational arguments against Measure W, Mann and Baker are publishing blatantly false information.
Maybe I¹m old fashioned but I don¹t tolerate dishonesty, especially from those seeking government office. In all my years of activism I have never seen anything remotely approaching Mann and Baker¹s campaign against Measure W, and I am not talking about little white lies or half-truths. Mann and Baker are barraging the public with fabrications that bear no resemblance to the facts. You may have seen some of these claims:
• Mann/Baker: The project will cost taxpayers $25 million
o Fact: The project will cost taxpayers zero dollars (Source: City of San Clemente)
• Mann/Baker: The buildings are 64 feet tall
o Fact: The tallest part of a building is an ornamental tower that is 39.7 feet tall, which can be eliminated if necessary (Source: City of San
Clemente)
• Mann/Baker: The project is four stories tall
o Fact: All of the buildings are one and two story, except for the front of the parking structure which is three story (Source: City of San Clemente)
• Mann/Baker: 120 parking spaces are lost and people will have to walk across El Camino Real to get to the Ole Hanson Beach Club
o Fact: 199 parking spaces are gained, although 13 of the currently
existing 296 are moved across El Camino Real (Source: City of San Clemente)
o Fact: There will be more parking in the vicinity of the Ole Hanson Beach Club than there are now (Source: City of San Clemente)
• Mann/Baker: The project is 75,000 square feet
o Fact: the project is 67,130 square feet (Source: City of San Clemente)
• Mann/Baker: The project will cause three new traffic signals on El Camino Real
o Fact: The signal intersection at Pico and El Camino Real is about to be improved. It is already funded by developer fees (Source: City of San Clemente North Beach Traffic Study)
o Fact: One additional traffic signal at the entrance to the train station is planned because of Marblehead-induced traffic increases is already funded by developer fees (Source: City of San Clemente North Beach Traffic Study)
o Fact: One pedestrian crossing signal will have to be built and paid for by the LAB (Source: City of San Clemente North Beach Traffic Study)
o Fact: A signal might have to built years from now if all other North
Beach properties (not the LAB) are built out and an additional parking lot is built on the other side of El Camino Real (Source: City of San Clemente North Beach Traffic Study)
• Mann/Baker: Traffic will be gridlocked at North Beach
o Fact: We can expect significant traffic increase at North Beach which is directly attributed to the development of Marblehead, especially the Outlet
Mall (Source: City of San Clemente Traffic Study)
o Fact: The additional traffic generated by the LAB is ³insignificant² and all traffic response times will remain within acceptable standards (Source:
City of San Clemente Traffic Study)
All of the above information can be verified on the City web site at
http://san-clemente.org/sc/Standard.aspx?PageID=528.
When the City conducted a public information forum to present the facts on North Beach, many of Mann and Baker¹s claims were refuted. Their response? Mann and Baker tried to discredit the City Manager and City Planner. In addition, one of their campaign coordinators, an attorney, threatened the City Manager and City Planner with personal lawsuits. I have a copy of the email that contains the threat.
On the surface this is silly but I think it is very sad. City employees should not be threatened or intimidated for doing their jobs. This kind of behavior is inexcusable.
In a couple of weeks San Clemente voters will be asked to vote on Measure W to decide the direction of North Beach. For 25 years North Beach has slowly decayed with boarded up buildings, vacant lots, trash, and homeless people. There have been various proposals for restoration of the Miramar Theater, the old Casino Dance Hall, buildings on the corner of El Camino Real and Pico, etc. Nothing has happened, and nothing will for another 25 years unless we do something.
We are already five years into a process to fix North Beach. It began with a visioning document that was formulated out of a year of public meetings and input. Then there was an open competition to select a commercial partner to implement the vision. The LAB was selected over two other, higher density proposals that included hotels, condos and high density retail. For two more years public workshops have been held and the Playa del Norte plan has been revised and downscaled twice.
What has emerged after five years is a plan for restaurants and culinary shops surrounded by greenbelts, courtyards with beautiful landscaping, sitting areas, views of the ocean and connections to the Coastal Trail. I have studied these plans and know that this is our chance to create something truly beautiful, and with a unique San Clemente feel. Best of all, it will all be done at private expense and will not cost the taxpayers a dime.
Once completed, we will have a vibrant gathering spot that brings people back into North Beach, which will allow other businesses to prosper as well.
There will certainly be a stronger business case for restoring the Miramar Theater. A fine dining restaurant at the Casino Dance Hall would have a greater chance at success. The value of the entire area will rise so used car lots and rental yards can be converted to best and highest uses. Just go down to North Beach, walk around and ask yourself if we could do better than this.
Some people might think that lying is acceptable in politics. My response is it doesn¹t have to be that way. We the voters decide at the ballot box whether or not to reward politicians for lying. I urge you to strongly consider whether you want to reward Charles Mann and Bob Baker for their misinformation campaign.
Measure W has not been politics as usual. Even though I supported Mann and Baker¹s other causes such as Measure C and Measure V, I¹m sorry to say I have lost a lot of respect for these two guys. If they built their case on Measure W on truthful arguments I wouldn¹t have a problem because I can always accept honest differences of opinion. But lying to the public while seeking public office is one step over the line for me.
Most important, I encourage you to get the facts on Measure W and decide for yourselves. It¹s your choice what to believe and you don¹t even have to believe me. Objective facts can be found at the City¹s website http://san-clemente.org/sc/Standard.aspx?PageID=528 . Read the ballot.
Measure W says the project, which is still a work in progress, must
ultimately conform parking, traffic and view corridor requirements before it is allowed. If you have any specific questions you are welcome to ask me ¬
I will try to be as factual as possible.
It¹s been 25 years since the Miramar entertained movie goers and the Casino Dance Hall was Sebastian’s Dinner Theater. Both closed their doors, North Beach started to erode, and nobody has come up with a realistic plan until now. We can make our community a better place and create a new, fun gathering spot to meet with friends and enjoy the ocean air. I encourage you to do your homework because if you find out what is being proposed, chances are you will join me in support of Measure W.
Please feel free to pass this along to your friends.
Thanks,
Bill Hart
Dahl represents an old tired sc vision that sought to stay afloat by being friendly to developers, get related campaign donations, look for trickle down city funding and etc etc etc---- you are looking at the light from a burned out star-- his days and those politics for the town are over-- today as times have changed people want to preserve what precious little is left of the small town feel and beauty.....While several candidates share this view-- Join me in voting for the team-- Mann and Baker-- let's get this right....
--Steve
By the way, if you were at the City Council meeting on 21st you would have seen during the breaks, Dr. and Mrs. Mann and Mr. and Mrs. Baker encouraging The Bledsoes, who are suing San Clemente residents because they used a bad contractor.
Mrs. Bledsoe is the one who has a website against Jim Dahl and they had a huge illegal sign at their property. She blames her poor choice of a contractor amongst others,on Jim Dahl because he was mayor during that time. Interesting logic...
Baker and Mann are encouraging people who are suing us for their own political gain. Is that anyway way for those aspiring to a leadership position in our city to act. Shameful.
It's like a soap opera!
Baker and Mann are liars. Lying big time about the LAB. They have placed Illegal signs all over town. They believe that the rules don't apply to them. Who needs these kinds of politicians? They think that a Target on commercial city open space is OK yet don't want to fix city commercial space in North Beach. Got some good pictures there yesterday at Sunset. In the recreational parking lot that was essential empty at 6 PM on a Friday, except for a few cop cars with a SUV doors opened and driver being "talked" to.
I don't always agree with Jim Dahl, I especially disagree with him on the toll road, but he is RIGHT on with what it will take for San Clemente to become even a better place with smart planning. Let's face it, everyone who comes to SC wants to live here. We all did!! We have 60,000 people here now. We have to have places for all those people to go in town or they will just fill up the over crowed 5 that is still not being fixed.
YES on W and YES on Dahl, Alpay and McCormack.
You HAVE to see this youtube video on Mr. Dahl-- the link is below-- or just go to www.youtube and put Jim Dahl in for a quick search--- what a kook!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0EJG4zQqG0
I know Dr. Charles Mann as a champion of the democratic process and an intelligent and dedicated worker for the principles in which he believes. He has the courage to stand up against profit for a few at the expense of the quality of life for many.
I cannot imagine a more qualified person to represent fairly and impartially the best interests of his community and its continuance as a desirable and beautiful place to live.
FYI I have known Gary Chronister for a long time. He is the hardest-working, no B.S. person you will ever meet. Electing him to office would be like San Clemente hitting the jackpot!
I vote for Bob Baker, who is comitted to preserving the standard of community that is the identity of San Clemente.
The Bakers have been friends for 25 years; leaders, in family, lifestyle, friendship, and always looking at keeping San Clemente the kind of city one would wish to live in.
Smart, generous, thoughtful and ethical, with an analytical ability to cut to the heart of a problem and extract the pearl of the solution.
Got my vote!
I am not able to vote in the council candidates' poll. I started to vote for two and was only able to vote for one and now I can't get back in. Am I doing something wrong?
I have known Patrick Powers and his wife for 14 years and am confident Pat would be an excellent addition to the council. He is a responsible, concerned citizen with strong insight and a well-balanced perspective in addressing issues. His being a resident of other communities years ago enhances his ability to contribute to San Clemente's future - he brings much experience living in communities that have been led well and in those that have made costly errors. I encourage those of you not familiar with Pat to learn more about this highly competent candidate in the weeks ahead.
Disregard the post below--
Mann is a Royal SCREW UP===
His opposition to measure C was filled with dis-information and lies.
His efforts and that of his idiotic cronies was to have himself and his pals kicked out of their private gold club.
That folks, was the opened land he was fighting for. A snobby golf course. Instead he has gotten every homeowner in SC a $3000 hike in property taxes to pay for the amenities that measure C rejected.
Taken in part from the SC times11/27/07 --WHAT’S NEXT: Charles Mann, one of the signers of the “No on C” argument/rebuttal, conceded that there was some “conjecture” in their details, but said he and his group would take out or revise wording as necessary.
anyway ask Charley if he ever got kicked out of golf club....
Yup measure C was to keep an extra 9 holes on a private golf club open... San Clemente was duped by a sharp PR campaign.
This went against the city council and planning commission views so a few rich slobs who lived near the golf course could stop development in their neighborhood.
Mann ain't the man.
Mann is a screwup
If there is anything that give me hope for this community, it is reading the last three posts. People are beginning to actually discuss community problems, rather than relative trifles that usually get discussed in city council campaigns! WOW!
We need more of this-- lots more. And grateful as I am to Norb and the SC Times for providing this forum here, I think we need to all put our heads together and set up something far more general and interactive-- something which as far as I know, no community has ever done before.
Does anyone else have an inkling of what I getting at here? It's extremely vague even in my own mind at this point, but if it could be done, and an open and ongoing dialog between the candidates and the voters established, it could be a significant step in creating actual *democracy* in our community.
moose@sanclementemoose.com
After 8 years of Republican rule, it is time for a substantive change. All the Republicans have provided for is reckless development, massive debt pushed upon those who did not create it to begin with, and false promises. You cannot trust these people. They are tools of the ruling class. They will say whatever if necessary to get your vote, then after the election, will report to their money masters -- many of which are out-of-towners.
San Clemente has catered to the gentrification elements for the last 8 years. It is time for change. Stop the out-sourcing of law enforcement. Enact and enforce responsible rent stabilization. Stop the Toll Road (all Toll Roads but especially this one at SO). Make SC more "bike friendly". Require electric car and bike charging stations at local shopping centers (Costco has 2 stalls at its store in Capo beach). Have city-wide "free" WiFi. Make the City convert ALL of its vehicles to either hybrid or electric (esp. at the beach where the City is most visible).
I think Chris is my first choice because he represents the future -- not the past. Also, Chris knows not just the benefits of SC, but more importantly, can testify to the down-side of living here (high rents, SC turning into an assisted living community for the wealthy). Time to address the problems facing our youth -- not just by building another ball park. Our children grow up here and then cannot afford to live here unless our parents die and deed the McMansion to the kids.
I appreciate the response Chris. At least you have made your beliefs clear and I commend you for that but I think you need to study the effects of rent control since World War II and how in this day and age, many cities are removing rent control laws because although they were meant to assist residents on the lower rung of the economic ladder, it actually harms far more citizens than it helps, benefits the better-off, and limits the freedom of all citizens. Rent control has actually driven out residents and businesses and is something San Clemente cannot afford.
Your intentions are good but rent control would lead to a worsening of the quality of life of the people of San Clemente. I do not say this just to disagree with you but the data supports what I have written here. There is plenty of research regarding the effects of Rent Control and I highly suggest that you look into it.
To Mepachum Bauer. I work with Chris McCormack on his campaign and he gave me this to post in response to your question.
I did state that I support some form of rent control. However, there are many different forms of rent control that have been effective in keeping older and younger generations in their respective communities. For example, rent stabilization, which can be applied in several ways, is just one option. To stabilize rent, the city could allow landlords to rent at market rate, but when rent was raised it would be raised at a percentage based on inflation. In addition, landlords who have units under rent control can be granted tax write-offs or incentives. This is just one option and example of how rent control can be implemented. Having lived in San Clemente my whole life, and being involved in local government, I have a good idea what kind of government local residents want. As foreclosures grow and the economy worsens, the renting community will grow and many long-term locals are going to need help in order to remain local residents. Rent stabilization is just one option that should be explored. Thanks for your question and I hope you will be voting for me on Nov. 4.
Anyone who wants to email me, it is moose@sanclementemoose.com
My website is http://sanclementemoose.com
I certainly would not say my site was "under construction," but I do keep adding to it. There's quite a bit there already.
Could you at least tell some of these candidates to get their Website's up?
To have it still under construction is semi ridiculous.
If you have questions for the candidates, please send them to rebecca@sanclementetimes.com, and I'll forward them along. I will not give out the candidates' e-mail addresses or phone numbers.
We also have a feature in tomorrow's paper where we ask the candidates a question about an issue. I'm accepting reader questions for consideration for that section.
Thanks,
Rebecca Nordquist
Message to Rebecca Nordquist:
Regarding the candidates, could you post their email address, or phone number so we can contact them and clarify with them about their positions on different issues that concern all of us?
Thanks,
Tommy
Good luck to all the candidates.
Although I do have a question for Chris:
You have stated that you want affordable housing and even rent control.
Would you mind elaborating on that? That is not just a touchy issue but an explosive one as people from cities like Santa Monica will attest to. You must know that this type of government is exactly what the people of San Clemente do not need nor do we want, so if you could explain your position on that it would be helpful. Because if you don't adequately explain it or are a true believer in this issue, you will not get my vote.
Regards,
In response to the person who asked, *even before* we get to the destruction of Trestles, San Onofre State Park, the Donna O'Neill Conservancy, and endangered species, the desecration of Native American Burial Grounds, and all of that, I am strongly opposed, on deep philosophical grounds, to the very concept of "private ownership of roads." This, along with private ownership of the radio frequencies (first proposed by Ayn Rand in about 1961, which I also oppose) is one of the darlings of Radical Libertarianism (e.g., my old friend of college days David Friedman, son of the authors of "Free to Choose"), and Objectivism (Ayn Rand and her followers, such as former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan).
I am opposed to such privatization because contrary to what the proponents claim, it attacks the very foundation of individual freedom and rights-- that foundation being the "Common" (sometimes expressed at "commonwealth") which we all share. Private ownership of such vital necessities as airwaves, the water supply, and roads are thus far more insidious than the ills we have been hearing about re the 241 because they quite literally turn your most fundamental constitutional rights into *market commodities.* That means: they can be bought and sold! Bad enough, as Lincoln once observed, that we only have as justice in a courtroom as we can afford, we now have only so much freedom, such as the freedom to communicate and travel, surf great waves, and otherwise enjoy God's and/or Nature's gift too us all, as we can afford. Beneath all the other discussion, this is the *true* battle being fought here. In order for it to be won, the people opposing 241 must become fully cognizant of the nature of the battle. In creating the TCA in 1986, the State legislature created a monster which is no longer under legislative or any other form of democratic control. It's very right to exist must now be questioned.
We certainly have a very strong and varied slate of candidates this year. From those who have been in the community for more than 1/2 century, to those who have just moved in to it in the last two years.
For me, I would like to personally ask you to consider Patrick Powers' candidacy for the following reasons. I know Mr. Powers personally, here are a few of his strong points:
1- He IS GOAL DRIVEN and has a clear agenda for San Clemente.
2- He is up to date with the latest high tech knowledge to carry out his proprosals to expand communications in San Clemente. A lot of talk without the right knowledge will not add up.
3- He's not too young to be inexperienced, nor too old to irrelevant with the times. He's got the right wisdom, and the right knowledge.
Overall, Mr. Powers is a strong candidate. I am sure that San Clemente will keep him for years to come on the council.
Good luck to all candidates....
Tommy N.
Chris is against the toll road.
I know Chris is young, but he has the best interest of San Clemente at heart. He stands for what gives quality of life to those of us who live here. We moved here because we love the small town feel of this community. The outside developers are very interested in getting their hands on San Clemente and changing what we cherish most. We need someone who is interested in thoughtful devlopment and keeps the citizens of the San
Clemente as a top priority. He's lived here all his life and I think he knows what is important to the community.
I know Pat Powers, he can do it
Hey there realsclocal-
Yes you do have a point, about John's time in the city of only two years, but with that perspective he can look at the city with "NEW" eyes and bring more creative & current ideas that current council members may want to stay with the "Status Quo" which brings no growth to the city - but still wanting to keep the family and small town coastal feel.
Redhead8500
DOWN WITH DAHL!
Good Post Patrick.
I agree with alot of what you are saying. How do you feel about the Proposed Toll Road Extension?
Basically, I think Norb did a great job here and was more than fair to me. One thing I'd like to elaborate on, that there evidently just wasn't space to print in the story. Words to the effect of "if only government were run like a business" are frequently heard (most often and most disastrously applied to public schools). To those who hold that sentiment, I hold up San Clemente as a city government that does indeed run itself like a business-- again, with disastrous results. Why should this be? Because a business *exists* for the purpose of making money. I've known some very conservative people in my day, including one friend from my younger years whose father won a Nobel Prize in Economics. I never knew his dad, but I was assured by others who knew both that father and son agreed on *everything.* So with that as background, I can pretty well assure you that not even Milton Friedman would have wanted to live in a city that saw "making money" as it's primary function. Yet, for a number of years now, this has been the primary focus of the San Clemente City Council in the form of approving projects with the end goal of maximizing city revenues. A far better goal: maximizing the quality of life in the city. This is where "form follows function," a phrase which actually can be traced not only to Louis Sullivan, but all the way back to Aristotle, comes in. It means viewing the city much as though it were a living organism with a soul, that soul being the spirit of the community. This is why I say, for example, when you look at the old Mirimar Theater complex laying in waste, mourn not just for the physical building, but for the good times no longer being enjoyed there. Sure, getting the old building functional again would be nice, if that is still physically possible, but having the former *function* of the place restored, rather than the mere building itself, would be the far greater accomplishment.
Alplay seems o.k.
But, only 2 years in town..
Seems a little on the fence about the Toll Road.
I dont know...
I have had the pleasure of working with John Alpay for the past 6 years- his insight as to what would be best for the city of San Clemente-my family had lived there for many years-Gordon & Loni Scott anf they raised there family there. John brings to the table a new awareness as to better direction for the city of San Celemete. He woulfd make a great addition for the city.
Sounds Good Patrick. I will have to learn more about you.
I Appreciate you taking the time to answer my question's.
Time in the Community does matter to me..
But, Look at Mr. Dahl....
He isnt looking out for the best interests of our community and he has been here for 45 years.
So, If you have been here 5 and get it.. Then More "POWER" to you!!
PATRICK IS A MAN ABOUT TOWN AND TRULY "LIVES" IN THE COMMUNITY. I SEE HE AND HIS WIFE OFTEN AND THEY ARE GREAT TO TALK TO AND VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE AND ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY THEY LIVE IN... MAYBE BEEN ONLY 5 YEARS BUT WHEN IT FIT'S IT FIT'S! I THINK HE WOULD BE A SUPERB COUNCIL MEMBER FOR SAN CLEMENTE AND HE'D SURELY GET THINGS DONE!
Thanks realsclocal for engaging in this conversation. I think this is great to be able to respond directly with real constituents.
To address a couple of your points:
If you notice, length of time is all over the map for many of the candidates. Mr. Alpay has been here for 2 years while Mr. Dahl has 45 years. I will stand by my point that involvement in different aspects of the community can make a bigger difference than just length.
As to the toll road - I know this is a huge issue for us in town and I want to choose my words carefully. While I am not against the concept of a toll road connecting us to more locations, I don't feel the current proposal is the best one for us at this time. We need to make sure that any toll road serves as large a cross-section of town as possible without impacting our quality of life.
Please feel free to ask any more questions. I appreciate the communication with fellow voters.
I also look forward to addressing questions next week at the Candidate's Forum in the Fireside room at the Community Center.
Crosby, Chronister and Baker all have some good points as well.
Steve Knoblock is looking like another Lame Duck!
Chris McCormack... While Young..
Has some Good Points..
Wouldnt Mind some more info on him..
Mr Powers..
How do you feel about the Proposed Toll Road Extension?
Sorry Pat.. But being here only 5 years does matter. Welcome to the community! But, You dont have my 2nd Vote Yet. Mann has my 1st. Thinking the existing City Council is doing a good job is Strike 1.
No One is Against Growth!
We are talking about picking the Right projects for San Clemente..
Not "What will put extra bucks in my pocket".
Mann just wanted to keep the extra holes for his golf course. Don't believe the hype!
If Chucky wins a seat, there will be a new way to spell stagnant.
S-A-N C-L-E-M-E-N-T-E
The length someone is in a community doesn't always reflect their involvement. You can be somewhere for 20 years and never do anything for the area. Just because I have been in SC for only 5 years doesn't make me any less of an active member or qualified candidate.
Overall, the current council has done a good job. They have kept our city strong financially, helped bring in new residents, and made the best decisions they could in their minds for San Clemente.
Mr. Mann is as qualified a candidate as any of us running. I do agree with him on the open space issue and was against getting rid of our open space. Nowhere am I advocating selling off our space.
Thank you for the chance to run and be part of the future of San Clemente.
Pat Powers has only 5 Years in San Clemente.. Thinks the Current City Council is doing a good job.. Not the most qualified in my opinion.
Mann has a Track record of making things right and taking on corruption and greed in our city council.. where there are problems.. Problems that need the right solution.. Not just selling off and giving away our precious Open Space.
Patrick Powers is by the far the most qualified and understood candidate of the bunch.
With his determination and ability to 'Get things done', he outshines the others by far as the best person to get the jobs done that need to be done.
Go Patrick!
Yeah!!
CHARLES MANN ALL THE WAY...