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In defiance against social distancing directives to limit the spread of the coronavirus pandemic, a few hundred demonstrators took to the streets of Downtown San Clemente on Sunday, April 19, urging state and local governments to reopen businesses and beaches.

The protestors gathered at the Pier Bowl parking lot around noon and marched up Avenida Del Mar waving American flags and holding up signs that called on governments to lift the stay-at-home orders—or “Liberate California” and “End the Lockdown.”

The organizers, led by Alan Hostetter, held the same protest the previous week, on Easter Sunday, with a much smaller crowd. Sunday afternoon’s gathering comes on the heels of several other protests that have occurred throughout the nation in recent days, including one at Huntington Beach on Friday, April 17.

To date, there have been 1,636 cases of coronavirus in Orange County with 32 deaths, according to the latest data from the county’s health office. Between Saturday and Sunday, there were 79 new cases reported. In San Clemente, there has been a total of 43 cases reported.

More than 140 individuals are currently being treated for the virus in the hospital, with 56 of them needing to be admitted it intensive care units.

As of Sunday, 17,994 people among Orange County’s 3.22 million citizens have been tested for coronavirus.  

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  • Which is worse, the clear lack of understanding of basic science or the brain washing of the RNC? Imagine what these same people would have done in WWII when we had a president urge every American to sacrifice and actually acted on the DPA.

    • You stay home and then you will have no problem according to your science. So what is your issue? But you can’t keep your opinion to yourself, it would be better if that was not released.

      I seriously doubt you know much about the conditions during WWII so best to keep that to yourself too.

      • Those are not citizens in San Clemente demonstrating— all of them out in the streets need not only to wash their hands but their bodies and clothes—cleanliness is godliness.

        Did the city of San Clemente approved a permit for these people? Plus, the police should be arresting these people who could potentially bring the virus to the city. Moreover, the city must hold financial liable Alan Hostetter and the other people out in the streets the cost the city’s taxpayers incurred for police services and anti-bacterial spraying the areas where they were parading up and down in the streets.

        There is no where in the 1st amendment that the free will of an individual must stamp on other citizens’ rights. Why don’t the demonstrators go to a uninhabited island build their own town, businesses, capital systems, exercise their free will, create their own 1st amendment, and spread their virus on one another. And leave the rest of the normal, law bidding, taxpaying citizens alone in San Clemente.

        • Mostly are not citizens in San Clemente demonstrating— all of them out in the streets need not only to wash their hands but their clothes—cleanliness is godliness.

          Did the city of San Clemente approved a permit for these people? Plus, the police should be arresting these people who could potentially bring the virus to the city. Moreover, the city must hold financial liable Alan Hostetter and the other people out in the streets the cost the city’s taxpayers incurred for police services and anti-bacterial spraying the areas where they were parading up and down in the streets.

          There is no where in the 1st amendment that the free will of an individual must run over other citizens’ rights. Why don’t the demonstrators go to an uninhabited island build their own town, businesses, capital systems, exercise their free will, create their own 1st amendment, and spread their virus on one another. And leave the rest of the normal, law bidding, taxpaying citizens alone.

        • First amendment, you got it backwards, you can stay in your house and save the protesters. But you are entitled to your opinion, even when it’s backward, thank you. Gun smoke is on, I won’t talk to you later.

    • The Protests are a direct result of over reaching governors losing the confidence of their people.

      When governors release criminals onto the streets because of the China virus but arrest law abiding citizens playing ball with their daughters in their front lawns, they undermine their own authority,

      When liquor stores are open for take out but Church attendence even while remaining in their own private vehicles is disallowed, citizens recognize the hypocrisy and the ulterior motives.

      When the people are directed NOT to attend their scheduled surgeries and to forego other needed medical attention in favor of those with the China virus but the abortion mills remain open for business, folks understand it’s not all about saving lives (ironically, the Michigan governor claimed that abortion was “life sustaining”).

      Americans are willing to limit their freedoms temporarily in the public interest if they have confidence that such limitations are not arbitrary and that goal posts for the return of their freedoms are not consistently moved. In both cases the state governments have failed and it is disgraceful that some attack their fellow citizens because THESE citizens recognize these facts and have determined that their livelihoods, which are being destroyed, are worth fighting for.

      I would also remind everyone that the long-term effects of being unemployed, cooped up for long periods and foregoing needed medical attention all cost lives and diminished life quality and duration. This is not an issue where remaining tightly quarantined saves lives and failing to do so ends lives…that is simplistic.

      To my neighbors who fight for their freedom and the preservation of their incomes I caution you to protest with mask, goved up, and six feet apart lest you give those who wish to remain sheep to be shorn an excuse to attack you.

      To those who attack their neighbors, will you be making the same accusations if this quarantine lasts until Christmas and if not, why won’t your present arguments be valid then?

    • During WW2, America asked its citizens to get to work on its behalf. Ironically, that is exactly what the protestors are asking for…to get back to work.

      “Imagine what these same people would have done in WWII…”

      Yes, imagine. I can also imagine that those who choose incarceration in their homes at government’s insistence are those who may not have resisted walking into concentration or internment camps.

      “Those are not citizens in San Clemente demonstrating…”

      Really? Who are they then? Are they the illegals that Newsome wants to give our taxpayer dollars to?

      “…the police should be arresting these people…”

      What, and replacing the criminals released from the jails due to fears of the China virus? What law have they broken?

      “…the city must hold financial liable Alan Hostetter…”

      Do you assert that every individual found out in public should likewise be held liable?

      “There is no where in the 1st amendment that the free will of an individual must stamp on other citizens’ rights.”

      Whose rights did the protestors stamp on? If you cower in your homes as YOU seem to suggest we must, then you aren’t present to be exposed to China viruses.

      “Why don’t the demonstrators go to a uninhabited island…”

      If you think that is a solution, then be my guest. Protestors have no problem with you remaining in your home or moving to an uninhabited island. That choice is yours.

      “…HB (who had a protest rally on Friday) has spiked. Enough with these Trump rally stunts.”

      No one is asking you to protest, feel free to remain absent, locked away in fear.

      “…while H.B. spiked.”

      Which one of the 100 protestors came down with the China virus?

      “…it will be on those rally goers and their selfishness.”

      So they’re selfish because they don’t want their livihoods destroyed any further? They see folks going to markets, liquor stores, pot shops, paddling canoes but they can’t buy paint, or seeds, attend church in their private auto, or fish in a motor boat? Do these regulations seem fair or wise to YOU?

      “…this was a Trump oddball festival…”

      Why is it oddball? You hate the President so any support for him is therefore, oddball? That is a question not a statement.

      “Where is Child Protective Services?”

      So you want to take away the children of protestors? You folks who claim to only believe in science (a curious statement for those who think they can change their gender) seem to ignore that children suffer from the China virus at such an infinitesimal rate that they are more likely to contract the flu.

      “In fact, many business owners failed to plan to set aside to cover 1 year expenses, including salaries and other overhead—Business 101.”

      So you think “Business 101” instructs students to weather an entire year of zero income while still paying bills and salaries? Sorry, but you have disqualified yourself from any serious discussion.

      “Get a job until your business cycle improves.”

      Hilarious! According to you these owners need to remain quarantined…how are they supposed to get a job and a job doing what? Newsflash, Rene Smith, 22 million people are out of a job. That’s precisely WHY these folks are protesting, to get back to work. And Uber? Really? So sharing a vehicle with a potential virus victim is less risky than being outdoors?

      “I say throw them in jail…”

      NIce, Jim. We let the actual criminals out of jail to make room for your neighbors whose only crime (though it is not a crime) is to be found sharing the streets with these same criminals. What a topsy turvey world you wish to live in. Any comment on the danger these criminals pose to law abiding citizens?

      “Why is she even protesting, shes still working full time…”

      So it is wrong for her to stick up for her fellow citizens, to be concerned with a crumbling economy that effects us all? You did the (3rd) Reich thing exposing this woman’s personal information.

      “I went down to the Trump rally.”

      Why did you leave the safety of quarantine? Was this a necessary trip? Hopefully some neighborhood stooge didn’t recognize you and turn you in. And what is wrong with having a beard?

      “There were as many Trump 2020 signs as there were poorly spelled open the econ signs.”

      How do you know? Did you hypocritically violate the quarantine and go to the rally yourself?

      “What a moron fest.”

      If it was, you certainly added to their number and when you claim “This is not political…” you confirm it. Militantly refusing to understand the point of the protest brands YOU the moron. I would add that those who claim they can change their gender simply by declaring it so don’t get to tell others they are anti-science.

      “…replaced by these low info evangelical losers…….bloody sad……”

      Is yours another example of anti-religious bigotry?

  • Really? We are at 43 cases the last two weeks so it’s clearly working while HB (who had a protest rally on Friday) has spiked. Enough with these Trump rally stunts.

    • Too bad you ruined the point of your post with your hatred aimed at Trump.
      Hate is a drug, and it appears you may be addicted. Seek help.

      • The protests are B.S. and the stats are accurate. 43 cases in San Clemente for two weeks while H.B. spiked. If we spike this week it will be on those rally goers and their selfishness.

    • I don’t see your argument [against I presume draconian measures being forced.] I can speculate but best I do not.

    • Well said Dave— there were so many Trump signs at this thing it was clear this was a Trump oddball festival…… good observation Dave!!!!

    • Dave: Comparing WW2 volunteering to a highly contagious virus is a clear example of you beyond reaching to substantiate your criticism of highly intelligent people who prefer science when it comes to surviving
      a pandemic.

      The demonstrators are not from San Clemente and the organizer and his supporters’ FB messages confirmed that—do you research. But, why should you do that when you got your mind twisted like the demonstrators. For instance, you stated all types of excuses and flawed examples such as “abortions”,’” gender swapping”, etc. as a pro argument for the irresponsibility of the demonstrators who arebnot wearing protective gear, parents with children at demonstrations without masks, etc., businesses’ owners think they are entitled to have profitable incomes at the risk of the citizenry.

      As stated, these people are not entitled to “stamp on others rights” by walking around spreading their germs in any community, city, county, or state. I am taxpayer of San Clemente and a prudent business owner. Yes, I got a contracting job and prepared for sheltering in place beyond Xmas— got an A in my Business 101 class and “prepared for overhead and can have zero income from my business over a year”. Yes companies are hiring and have procedures in place to protect their employees, unlike Alan Hostetter .

      You wrong, Uber drivers are wearing protective gear; however, the paid $15 an hour demonstrators are not and infesting my city with with their dirty germs, and costing city taxpayers’ money for police services to protect them. You wrong “elective surgery services” are now available

      Yes, I am sheltered or “incarcerated” in my house watching the demonstrators potentially kill themselves—since you love them, join them. I only venture out, with protective gear and anti-bacterial spray, for food and work. Yes, the demonstrators should be on an “uninhabited island“, if they don’t 1st succumb to the Coronavirus to clear the village of idiots. I won’t be joining them, but you can as their number 1 fan.

      Yes, I stand by my comments. My comments were not regarding my neighbors, they were not the outside paid $15 an hour demonstrators spreading germs in the San Clemente.

      • People want the opportunity to get their lives back and to collect and rebuild what is left of their finances.

        “Dave: Comparing WW2 volunteering to a highly contagious virus is a clear example of you beyond reaching to substantiate your criticism of highly intelligent people…”

        If you’re so “highly intelligent” then why did you fail to notice that my WW2 reference was in response to the individual, ‘GreenInOC’ , who is the actual person to make this comparison you find so objectionable? This individual whose comparison you tacitly claim is “unintelligent” agrees with YOU on the protest.

        Your statements below:

        “The demonstrators are not from San Clemente….” and “People living in San Clemente do not look like those people demonstrating…”

        What does a person living in San Clemente look like and how is it different from those living in HB, or Irvine, or DP? Claiming to have established that the leader of a protest lives outside SC does not, ipso facto, demonstrate that ALL protestors are from outside SC. I’m not claiming they are one way or the other, I don’t know but your reference is not compelling.

        “For instance, you stated all types of excuses and flawed examples such as “abortions”,’” gender swapping”, etc…”

        Are you deliberately feigning ignorance in your stated inability to understand how the examples are germane to an understanding of why the people protest or are you really that dim? At the risk of repetition, here is what I said:

        “Americans are willing to limit their freedoms temporarily in the public interest if they have confidence that such limitations are not arbitrary and that goal posts for the return of their freedoms are not consistently moved. In both cases the state governments have failed…”

        My examples supported this statement and if you can’t, or refuse to understand the point then I can’t help you. Furthermore, the issue of gender was NOT an example I gave of the government’s arbitrary use of power, color me shocked that you missed this as well. Here is what I said:

        “You folks who claim to only believe in science (a curious statement for those who think they can change their gender) seem to ignore that children suffer from the China virus at such an infinitesimal rate that they are more likely to contract the flu.”
        This statement was in response to your dictatorial demand that child protective services be called on the protestors.

        This was my statement regarding the protestors you again failed to notice:

        “To my neighbors who fight for their freedom and the preservation of their incomes I caution you to protest with mask, gloved up, and six feet apart lest you give those who wish to remain sheep to be shorn an excuse to attack you.”

        Protestors should maintain the precautions as outlined by the governor while they are demanding an end to the lock down and the return of their lives.

        Your statements, “…businesses’ owners think they are entitled to have profitable incomes at the risk of the citizenry.” and “There is nothing in the 1st Amendent guaranteeing economic profits for businesses or entitled for owners of unprofitable businesses to unjustly harm people.”

        No one claims that the Constitution guarantees an individual a profitable income, that is YOUR strawman. The Constitution does guarantee that individuals have the freedom to engage in business whether they are successful or not. This guarantee is what YOU wish to take away from others because by your own admission, you’ve got yours so the hell with those who don’t.

        “Yes, I got a contracting job and prepared for sheltering in place beyond Xmas— got an A in my Business 101 class and “prepared for overhead and can have zero income from my business over a year”.”

        That’s wonderful, Ms Marie Antoinette. Having zero concern for those who chose other professions, you tell them they should have made other arrangements, a thoroughly repugnant attitude.
        This is the essence of what protestors are protesting, they want to go back to work.

        “I only venture out, with protective gear and anti-bacterial spray, for food and work. Yes, the demonstrators should be on an “uninhabited island“…”

        Thanks for revealing your smug and judgemental attitude. That should comfort those on the fence who are less fortunate, wish to go back to work, but are intimidated by the bullies who’ve got theirs and militantly refuse to understand those who are in need.

  • so when these guys die can i have their stereo

    • Dave: My comment was to you about WW2– you quoted someone else in your reply—that it is common sense when responding directly to an individual who quoted someone else. I could give you many examples why that is appropriate, but you can google it.

      I know how and what many individuals did to survive not only in WW2, but all the Wars in this country, except the American Revolutionary War from my military history of serving this country. Because my fore-fathers, and existing family members serving in the military, fought in them. Such
      as, an uncle who is a Bronze Receipt for his bravery in the Korean War for preventing an North Korean soldiers killing his entire company as he guarded the Demilitarized Zone in Korea. The current military soldiers and their leaders, veterans, state National Guards, healthcare providers, and essentials workers are the true freedom fighters
      and defenders of the 1st Amendment during this country and this current country’s crisis. The paid out-of-town demonstrators and Alan Hostetter, who not
      practicing CDC’s migration guidelines to spread their germs for self-serving act, are not.

      Of course my comments are not compelling to you, Alan Hostetter, and the demonstrators. Hopefully, the city’s administrators will be “compelled” to take action against Alan Hostetter and the demonstrators for the financial cost the city will incur with them potentially spreading the
      Coronavirus in the city by failing to migrate the CDC’s guidelines to avoid spreading the virus, and the cost to the taxpayers for the police services when the state is in a
      “Shelter in Place” order.

      The government has not taken “… people lives….”. The order was to “ shelter indoors” until government with the aid of the heroic healthcare professionals contain a deadly virus. This country has had many challenges where people collectively rose together to resolve them without crying about their lives or finances are being disrupted— the Civil War, for example, lasted 4 years.

      “People also can rebuild their finances” through technology, getting a temp job, etc.— but prefer to blame the government and Ms Antoinette.

      This “folk” does believe in science, science of business, science of life, science of War, and all the sciences in the world. Particularly, the science of health, because I am intelligent, and won’t inject disinfectant in my body or swallow a light bulb to get rid or prevent spreading the Coronavirus.

      This “Ms Marie Antoinette” with her “ judgmental, repugnant, and smug” attributes and family are willing to sacrifice to avoid infecting the citizenry of San Clemente, the county of Orange, cities in CA, the state of CA, and in the US country.

      • It is time to get back to work. We cannot let fear immobilize us into economy destroying inaction.

        “Dave: My comment was to you about WW2– you quoted someone else in your reply—that it is common sense when responding…”

        You’re immune to common sense. I responded to another’s comment where that individual inappropriately compared the protestors to the situation in WW2. Then (after my response to that individual) you accused me of bringing up WW2 and said such a comparison was unintelligent. Great, take it up with the individual who first brought it up. I could give YOU many examples of why you don’t make any sense at all and can’t follow the conversation but that would be lost on you as well.

        “I know how and what many individuals did to survive not only in WW2, but all the Wars in this country…”

        Good for you, how is your boast relevant to the subject? Do you think you or your relatives are the only ones to have served?

        “…are the true freedom fighters
        and defenders of the 1st Amendment during this country and this current country’s crisis.”

        Yeah, so? You are certainly not among them because you DO NOT support the First Amendment.

        “…who not
        practicing CDC’s migration guidelines to spread their germs for self-serving act, are not.”

        Perhaps the selfish are those who advocate their neighbors cower in their homes while OTHERS take the risk of growing, picking, shipping, trucking, stocking, and selling and/or delivering their food…often right to their door steps.

        “Of course my comments are not compelling to you…”

        And why should I take YOUR word for it?

        “Hopefully, the city’s administrators will be “compelled” to take action against Alan Hostetter and the demonstrators for the financial cost the city will incur…”

        Perhaps the city should take action against YOU and your co-horts for the financial disaster the city and state are suffering from, a sum vastly greater than any extra cost for police (not) “required” to monitor the people demanding their right to go back to work.

        I never said the government has “taken lives” that is again YOUR strawman. What I said is that when people lose their jobs, are cooped up in their homes, and are forced to forego needed medical attention, lives will be diminished and in some cases lost, this is imperically verifiable.

        “…the Civil War, for example, lasted 4 years.”

        Newsflash, Rene, citizens were not instructed to remain indoors and the economy wasn’t shut down, not during the Civil War or any war for that matter.

        “People also can rebuild their finances” through technology, getting a temp job, etc.— but prefer to blame the government and Ms Antoinette.”

        Really? 22 million people are out of a job, perhaps the gravity of the situation eludes you. Protestors don’t want to blame government, they just want to go back to work…in their chosen professions. How exactly does the owner of a barber shop or restaurant employ technology to rebuild their finances? And YOU, and Nancy Pelosi, are our Marie Antoinette.

        “…because I am intelligent…”

        We have no evidence for that, in fact, quite the contrary.

        “This “Ms Marie Antoinette” with her “ judgmental, repugnant, and smug” attributes and family are willing to sacrifice to avoid infecting the citizenry…”

        No, Ms. Antoinette, you’re not by your own admission sacarificing diddly, remember, you said you had your job and it’s too bad others didn’t make better arrangements. You are letting others do the sacrificing for you while you attack the less fortunate. Thoroughly repugnant!

  • Pray for the little ones.

    • ill pray for them all :::::(-P

    • Where is Child Protective Services? The demonstrators are putting children in harms away. And, the community and healthcare providers if they or children get Corona.

      There is nothing in the 1st Amendent guaranteeing economic profits for businesses or entitled for owners of unprofitable businesses to unjustly harm people. Or, mad can’t go t the beach or bar to spread your dirty germs.

      In fact, many business owners failed to plan to set aside to cover 1 year expenses, including salaries and other overhead—Business 101. Businesses have cycles and they are now on the down cycle. Businesses are not for the benevolent purposes of the 1st Amendment or people, but for self interest.

      If businesses failed to plan for challenges, that is not the community of citizens problem. Your failure does not give you a right to cause potentially death or harm others. Get a job until your business cycle improves. Amazon, Insacart, and Uber are hiring. Since you love being outdoors with others spreading Corona, Janitorial companies need cleaners, like you, to sanitize their buildings; security companies need mall guards, and Certified Nurse Assistants (CNA) are needed at rest rooms; on job training will get you a CNA certification form to display in your car or on your wall where ever you live—we all know it is not in San Clemente.

    • Dave: The Civil War was fought because of the “uncom-
      promising differences between the northern and southern states over the power of the national government”. The southern government leaders did much worse than the “shelter indoors” order, they divided this country with their ”secession” order and lost due to many reasons. However, one reason caused the south to lose a few narrow-minded preferred to destroy a nation regardless who it harmed in the process, just like the demonstrators and Alan did.

      I don’t have to prove my intellectual capabilities to you. Yes, I found a temp job and has over one year of rainy year funds to cover my business’ expenses if have no sales.

      I do wear protective gear to avoid bringing harm to others when leave my home only to go to work and buy food. I now it is also hard for you to accept it is not violating the “shelter indoors” order when I only go work and the grocery store.

      The city will not bite the hand that feeds it with legal actions. First, I am a citizen of San Clemente. Second, I am a taxpayer. Third, I am not violating the “shelter indoors” order.

      In contrast, the paid out-of-town demonstrators who potentially brought harm to others in San Clemente because they failed to follow the CDC’s guidelines to contain the very contagious Coronavirus by not wearing masks, dismissing social distancing, putting children in a dangerous situation, only leaving their homes for essentials need such as work and food, etc. They must be held financial accountable for the cost the city incurred regarding their demonstrations.

      “Ms Antoinette” has two new attributes: “Not sacrificing and a repugnant“ person who will not disparage her government and healthcare providers who are working tirelessly to save lives in this city and state due to a deadly virus crisis. Her “not sacrificing and repugnant” ways also got her a temp job to pay bills until the “ shelter in place” order is lifted. She also planned ahead when her business experience unprofitable cycles.

      Lastly, all the paid out-of-town demonstrators, their leader, and you in your wildest nightmares will agree to businesses in the city to accept funds from a “tyrannical” state government, who making you stay indoors and taking away your “liberty and livelihoods ” to provide meals to the elderly in the city, in which the San Clemente’s city leaders are requesting from the “tyrant” governor. That way, businesses in San Clemente can start generating revenues.

      • Rene Smith, you’ve become so repetitious that I suspect you’re actually attempting to bore your audience to death. Your kindergarten knowledge of the Civil War is embarrassing particularly in your strained attempt to find some parallel between it and our present circumstances.

        In the near future we’ll be looking in the rear-view mirror at the assaults on our God-given and Constitutional rights. Americans were willing, for the good of the nation, to put up with temporary restrictions on their freedoms but when these restrictions became more arbitrary and in some cases ridiculous, government authorities lost the confidence of the people. The protests are the most visible evidence of this recognition.

        • David: With stopping the paid out-of-towners demonstrators spreading Coronavirus in the city, which I (and others) can possibly be infected and it having negatively impact on my autoimmune system for life or succumb to the disease, I will live another day to advance my kindergarten
          knowledge regarding the Civil War. I will also have an opportunity to observe many items out of my rear view mirror..

  • My God, we live among idiots! I say throw them in jail, so they can see what a REAL lock down is. Since they aren’t afraid of the virus, they shouldn’t be worried about catching it in prison!

    • You can stay at home, so what is your problem? Throw people in jail for exercising their 1st amendment rights? I think you lost it. Or you disagree and demand people be punished because of your opinion?

      One thing I note, in general, is that when ANTIFA acts the comments about that are close to zero. But people out saying they do not want to be locked in force is another thing. Backwards in my view.

      • Those are not San Clemente’ citizens not demonstrating— all of them out in the streets need not only to wash their hands but their bodies and clothes—cleanliness is godliness.

        Did the city of San Clemente approved a permit for these people? Plus, the police should be arresting these people who could potentially bring the virus to the city. Moreover, the city must hold financial liable Alan Hostetter and the other people out in the streets the cost the city’s taxpayers incurred for police services and anti-bacterial spraying the areas where they were parading up and down in the streets.

        There is no where in the 1st amendment that the free will of an individual must stamp on other citizens’ rights. Why don’t the demonstrators go to a desert island build their own town, businesses, capital systems, exercise their free will, create their own 1st amendment, and spread their virus on one another? And leave the rest of the normal, law bidding, taxpaying citizens alone.

  • One of the organizers of the protest, Dawna L. Schoenberger who was doing the same yesterday in hb, is the resident manager of a senior living community in San Clemente. She was pictured in the photo in la times dot c o m yesterday not practicing any sort of distancing, and is pictured in dozens of photos on her fb page not wearing a mask. She shares parking, elevators and laundry rooms with them at Cotton’s point senior apartments and doesnt care if she infects the entire building with covid. Why is she even protesting, shes still working full time and getting her free 2 bedroom apt there.

  • I went down to the Trump rally. Tons of people from outside San Clemente were standing around, without masks, wearing beards and flags. Many of the actual people from San Clemente discretely drove by in their cars. But some had small American flags waving inside their cars. The more daring folks even put a hand out the car window as they passed by in support! They honked like crazy kids and then they went back to Talega, Hannity reruns, and driveway BBQs. For many San Clemente residents, it had been such a long time since they really got out there and protested against the the government! Thank god no one got arrested! It must have felt great! Go Boomers! What a day! Hopefully no one gets sick though!

  • People living in San Clemente do not look like those people demonstrating— all of them out in the streets need not only to wash their hands but their bodies and clothes—cleanliness is godliness.

    Did the city of San Clemente approved a permit for these people? Plus, the police should be arresting these people who could potentially bring the virus to the city. Moreover, the city must hold financial liable Alan Hostetter and the other people out in the streets the cost the city’s taxpayers incurred for police services and anti-bacterial spraying the areas they were parading up and down in the streets, etc.

    There is no where in the 1st amendment stating an individual and free must stamp on other citizens rights. Why don’t the demonstrators who violate laws out in the desert or on an island build their own town, businesses, capital systems, exercise their free will, create their own 1st amendment to stamp on others’ rights,, and spread their virus upon one another. And leave the rest of the normal, law bidding taxpayer alone.

  • Alan Hostetter is creating an unlawful and unhealthy situation in San Clemente. The Sunday protests against recommended social distancing measures are including hundreds of out-of-towners. Now he is connecting on facebook with similarly minded groups who plan to invade San Clemente every Sunday…not social distancing by 6 feet, not wearing masks, etc. See for yourself: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157743864292912&set=p.10157743864292912&type=3&theater

  • There were as many Trump 2020 signs as there were poorly spelled open the econ signs. What a moron fest. Why so many Trump signs? Because the GOP clowns try to make everything political.

    This is not political, it’s scientific. Ignoring the doctors and other scientists is screwing all of us. What on earth happened to the GOP? They are all long gone and replaced by these low info evangelical losers…….bloody sad……

    When they are in an ICU in about 4 weeks, we probably won’t be hearing cries of “liberate Michigan” from the C-19 virus ward….

  • THE FOLLOWING IS A PIECE I COPIED OFF OF FAKE BOOK:

    I was reading some posts for and against reopening the country. One was talking about being selfish and it got me to thinking.

    There are those wanting to reopen yet they’re being classified as selfish. There are those that rely on all kinds of people to supply them while they cower in fear at home. Isn’t that being selfish too?

    You expect your garbage to be picked up, you expect the grocery store to be open so you can get milk, you expect truck drivers to supply the stores, you expect farmers, meatpackers, fruit and vegetable pickers all to keep food in that grocery store.

    You expect Amazon to still ship all the things you’re ordering while you sit at home shopping. You expect the delivery driver to leave it on your doorstep. You expect your phone to work, your power to stay on, and your mail to show up rain, sleet, or shine. And most important, you expect the doctors and nurses to be there if you need them although many of them across the country have been furloughed because their units and services have been shut down while the entire system focuses only on COVID19.

    The whole premise of shelter in place is based on the arrogant idea that others must risk their health so you can protect yours. There is nothing virtuous about ignoring the largely invisible army required to allow people to shelter in place.

    I know there are some of you that are screaming mad about what I just said but stop and really think about what is allowing you to stay safe in your home.
    I truly believe that with some common sense on my part, I could easily go back to life as it was. I want to go to restaurants, I want to shop at the little store just up the road.

    And yes, I could catch COVID-19. I could also catch the flu or a cold. I could get run over by a bus. I could get struck by lightning. We take risks everyday. If you choose to stay home, that is absolutely your choice. And please don’t start screaming at me about how I’ll just spread it. Why are you worried? You won’t get it because you’re staying in your home. Are you going to shelter in place every time a new strand of the flu happens?

    Our economy can’t withstand much more of this. If our economy collapses, so will the rest of the world’s. If that happens, you will see the rise of tyrants.
    I absolutely don’t want people to die…from COVID or anything else. I want people to live.

    But sheltering in place is not living.

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